1 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,279 John Derek Worboys, I'm arresting you on suspicion 2 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,719 of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008. 3 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,679 They won't be asking you... to testify. 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,759 I wanted to look the bastard in the eye 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,599 and tell everybody what he did to me. 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,039 I wanted to have my moment in court. 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,759 Mr Worboys handed you a glass of something bubbly. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,839 And you drank that, too. Because he forced me to. 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,559 He's like a professional conman. 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,799 You continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm. 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,519 I therefore pass down on you 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,240 a minimum custodial term of eight years. 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,839 I-I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,959 had looked at all the evidence. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,399 No, I can tell you that the CPS 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,039 did not review the evidence in your case. 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,159 They lied to me. 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,559 Why didn't she flag, Dave? 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,839 Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,159 It was only logged as a crime-related incident. 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,359 You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,239 against the police for the way they treated us. 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,279 So, you're asking, do I wanna sue the police with you? 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,199 My advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act. 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,399 The only problem is that it's never been done before. 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,479 Eight years did spook me a bit. Yeah, he's not getting out. 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,639 After eight years, he could apply for parole. 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,480 In order to do that, he'd first have to admit to what he's done. 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,999 So, this is where you'll be working. 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,799 Everybody, this is Carrie Simonds, 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,439 who's joining the Comms team today. 32 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,799 Hey. Hi. Hello. 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,479 Oh, it's actually Symonds. Oh, sorry. 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,159 And this is Cherry, your new neighbour. 35 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,479 Hi. Hi. 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,760 I'll leave you to it. 37 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,440 CARRIE CLEARS THROAT 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,839 Carrie? Sorry. Yeah. 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,519 I hope you don't mind me bringing this up, 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,600 but... aren't you the girl who was a victim of that black cab guy? 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,120 The rapist. 42 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,079 Ooh, er... not sure about "victim", 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,160 but, erm, yes, I did do some interviews about it. 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,799 I understand a lot of women came forward after that, 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:41,000 but... you have sort of put yourself out there now as, like, "that" girl. 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,759 Er, well, I... 47 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,479 I learnt a lot from that experience, 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,640 about how, you know, the media operates, so... 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,800 ...hopefully, I'm a bit savvier now. 50 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,160 INTERCOM BUZZES 51 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,519 So, I've printed you both a document 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,759 of all the materials we've received from the Met. 53 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,759 And as predicted, they were mightily pissed off 54 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,359 at having to hand it over, 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,799 and they even said that they had no desire, 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,519 in the current financial climate, "to spend disproportionate sums 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,759 "defending a claim that was many years out of date 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,799 "and, legally, had no prospect of success". 59 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,079 Well, they can fuck right off. LAILA CHUCKLES 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,319 Couldn't have said it any better myself. 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,919 OK, so, as predicted, the IPCC investigations 62 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,839 into both of your cases find the complaints are not substantiated, 63 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,879 and the most serious disciplinary action that they recommended 64 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,799 was a... a few written warnings. 65 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,040 What about telling me that the CPS had reviewed my case when it hadn't? 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,560 A "genuine mistake". 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,239 OK, and what about not telling me that they found the drugs 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,559 that he used to sedate me in my bloodstream? 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,679 They actually do find that largely substantiated, 70 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,919 but they... they do want to note that the investigating officer 71 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,159 at the time had, erm... a "heavy workload". 72 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,199 What? 73 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,559 We now know that they didn't search 74 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,359 Worboys' house when he was first arrested. 75 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,399 I was told that they did 76 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,599 and that they didn't find anything incriminating. 77 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,399 But, actually, the most incredible revelation 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,560 is of the CCTV footage of you leaving the club that night. 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:33,839 LAILA EXHALES 80 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:37,119 They said that there was no sign of me on the footage. 81 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,559 That's because they were looking at the wrong night - 82 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,159 the 27th, not the 26th. 83 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,719 If they had the correct date, 84 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,319 they would have seen that you left the club at 2am, 85 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,399 and they would have known that Worboys was lying 86 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,559 when he said he picked you up at 3:50. 87 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,959 The initial investigation didn't even analyse 88 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,759 your mobile phone data, which would have confirmed 89 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,600 when you got into his cab and where he took you. 90 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,880 It's like a joke. 91 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,759 I'm guessing it doesn't get any funnier for me? 92 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,839 No. Almost all the allegations in your case, they say, are not proven. 93 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:10,799 You saying that you weren't believed - not proven. 94 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,879 Being told not to show emotion in your interview... 95 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,719 Well, DC Stephens even denies ever saying that to you, 96 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,799 so it's your word against his. 97 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,199 The only concession is that they agree that the guy living 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,880 in your old flat, Billy Houghton, should have been interviewed. 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,279 And to cap it all off, they've released a statement 100 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:31,639 saying that they have improved training and changed procedures 101 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,519 so that none of this will ever happen again. 102 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,439 It's what they always do. 103 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,799 So... what do we do? 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,959 Because, to be honest, this is only making me even more determined. 105 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,199 Yeah, same. 106 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,039 We need somebody who's going to take this on for us in court. 107 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,199 And I have somebody in mind. 108 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,840 A really top barrister. 109 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,720 I've met this... guy. 110 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:58,120 Tell me more. 111 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:03,719 It was an arranged thing. Erm, my mum insisted on it. 112 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,599 You know, I actually think she would have kicked me out onto the street 113 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,559 if I hadn't agreed to it. 114 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,440 What's his name? What's he like? He's... 115 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,359 ...quite nice, actually. 116 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Arham. 117 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,639 You know, good Muslim boy. 118 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,119 He wore cream chinos. 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,840 Good-looking? 120 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,400 Not bad. 121 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,800 You gonna see him again? 122 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,840 Don't know. 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,200 I just keep thinking... 124 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,240 ...what's the point? 125 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,959 I haven't even told my family about what happened to me. 126 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,080 I certainly... 127 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,560 I couldn't tell him. 128 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,560 It's like... 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,360 I feel like... 130 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,880 I feel like nobody would want me... 131 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,920 ...if they knew. 132 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,800 You know, at some point, you're gonna have to talk about it... 133 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,680 ...and not just with me. 134 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,959 You know, I tried that with Gav at first, 135 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,080 keeping it all buried, worrying about what he'd think of me. 136 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,320 It's exhausting. 137 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,840 You know, I couldn't do it any more. 138 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,439 I realised I had to come to terms with what happened to me, 139 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,199 and so I thought, "Fuck it, I'm gonna tell you, 140 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,720 "whether you wanna hear it or not, for my sake." 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,879 Mm. Gav's not perfect. 142 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Sure he'd say I'm not easy to live with either, but... 143 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,960 But, to be fair, since I told him, he's been nothing but supportive. 144 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,440 So... maybe give Cream Chinos a chance. 145 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:57,920 Yeah. 146 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,919 You see, the problem I've got 147 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,639 with this programme you're talking about 148 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,479 is I would have to tell the truth. 149 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,759 I can't just sit here and tell you lies, sir. 150 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,359 The last thing we'd want in a treatment programme 151 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:11,480 is for you to lie. 152 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,759 No, it's... it's just not in me. 153 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,079 So, why don't we begin with you talking about the offences 154 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,439 for which you've been convicted? 155 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,839 Well, that's the problem, because I didn't do anything. 156 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,640 I'm an innocent man. 157 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,679 And that's your position? 158 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,639 As far as I'm concerned, any encounters were consensual. 159 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,880 It was all just a bit of harmless fun. 160 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,039 And as for drugging them? 161 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,080 Well, I mean, it's... that's complete nonsense. 162 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:41,760 See, I shouldn't be in here, and that's the truth. 163 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,199 I note you no longer call yourself John Worboys. 164 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,080 You now call yourself John Radford. Why is that? 165 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,680 It's very simple. 166 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,920 The name "Worboys" is dirt, innit? 167 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,039 Because of what those women said about me, 168 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,639 because of their false accusations. 169 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,520 I can't even call myself by my own name any more. 170 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,400 How is that fair? 171 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,079 It's really late. 172 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,759 Why not give it a rest and pick it up again tomorrow, eh? 173 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,799 That police officer who first looked into my case, 174 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,199 DC Stephens, I kept asking him 175 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,839 to talk to Billy Houghton, the guy that lived in my old flat, 176 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,799 because he saw Worboys that night. 177 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:34,999 Stephens says here that I was 178 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,039 "reluctant" for him to talk to Billy. 179 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,639 What an arsehole! That's such absolute bollocks! 180 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,159 It says here he has never had any specialist training 181 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,039 for investigations into rape or sexual assault 182 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,399 and, in fact, no training at all since 1989. 183 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,560 Oh, God. 184 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,320 I'll see you in the morning. 185 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:58,760 Don't be too long. 186 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,200 Come! 187 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,600 Ladies, can I introduce you to Phillippa Kaufmann? 188 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:17,799 Phillippa, this is Sarah, and this is Laila. 189 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,559 Very pleased to meet you. Welcome. Hi. 190 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:23,079 Now, we're about to go in with the police's lawyers 191 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,119 for what's called a structured settlement discussion. 192 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,759 Basically, can we resolve this without going to court? 193 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,039 Is there a non-financial remedy we can explore, 194 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,199 such as a public apology to you? 195 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,519 Can I just ask, is that a possibility, 196 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,919 a public apology from them? 197 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,959 Not a cat's chance in hell, I'm afraid, but... 198 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,879 it may help our case later on if we can at least say we tried. 199 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,280 Right, ladies, follow me. 200 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,400 DOOR OPENS 201 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,679 29 women were attacked by Worboys after he attacked me, 202 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,480 before he was finally arrested. 203 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,520 29. 204 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,840 Those are all individual lives messed up that didn't need to be. 205 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,319 And those are just... erm, the women that we know about. 206 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,959 I mean, there are almost certainly more 207 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,280 who never reported what happened to them. 208 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,599 I was disbelieved and humiliated, 209 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,319 and I don't believe the police have sufficiently been held to account. 210 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,999 I think the impact of what the police did to me 211 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,240 was worse than the actual rape itself. 212 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:39,239 Like Laila, I continue to live with a sense of guilt 213 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,800 for all the women that came after me. 214 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,600 Even though I know it's not my fault... 215 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,119 ...I ask myself, could I have done more to stop him? 216 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,519 I'm shocked that you won't just admit liability. 217 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,479 The fact that you are fighting this 218 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,680 makes me feel like you still don't believe me. 219 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:04,079 The police's position is that, whilst we are, of course, 220 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,440 sympathetic to the undoubted trauma you have both suffered... 221 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:12,759 ...we do not admit any liability on the part of the Metropolitan Police. 222 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,959 We believe the investigation into the crimes of John Worboys 223 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,439 was reasonable, ultimately successful. 224 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,120 S... Successful? 225 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,919 It took you five years to work out these attacks were linked. 226 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,079 Year after year, he was left to roam the streets 227 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,520 and attack other women when he should have been locked up! 228 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,039 What we would like to do, however, is to invite you both to attend 229 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,240 a police training programme, present your experiences to the attendees. 230 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:45,119 The hope is that this would be educational 231 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,600 and beneficial to both sides. 232 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Right, I think we're done here, ladies, Harriet. 233 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:54,519 Thank you. 234 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,640 Fucking training programme?! Shh. 235 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:01,839 DOOR CLOSES 236 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,199 OK, now you can talk. They've got two hopes of us talking 237 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,199 to this load of trainee policemen about what happened to us - 238 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,919 Bob Hope and no fucking hope, and you can tell them that from me. 239 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,480 What a patronising load of old bullshit. 240 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,520 Ladies, I think we're gonna get along just fine. 241 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,120 Where's DC Stephens? 242 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:52,519 It appears the Met are not going to call him to give evidence. What? 243 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,319 I suspect that they think he'll be so undermining to their case 244 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,119 that they want to keep him away at all costs. 245 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,679 Now, the problem is, if we call him, 246 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,239 we won't be able to cross-examine him 247 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,679 because, in cases like this, that's the rule. 248 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:07,000 So, he won't have to give an account of himself in court? 249 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,640 I'm sorry. 250 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,559 NBV told us that even after she'd been sick in the toilets, 251 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,239 she still carried on drinking. 252 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,599 Did this have, er, an impact on your assessment of NBV? 253 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,999 The CCTV footage of her falling over at the campus 254 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,879 was entirely consistent with the actions of someone 255 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,199 who had had too much to drink that night. 256 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,800 I thought the whole thing was odd. 257 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,359 I thought it was odd that an educated girl 258 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,919 would accept a drink from a stranger in those circumstances. 259 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,959 DSD told us she had taken some cocaine with her friends, 260 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,879 and this showed up subsequently in her blood tests. 261 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,159 Had she also drunk alcohol that evening 262 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,999 before getting into Worboys' cab? 263 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,599 Well, her friends told us they put her into the cab 264 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,600 after their night out because she was so out of it. 265 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,239 My conclusion was that DSD had not sustained 266 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,400 any specific psychiatric injury as a consequence of the rape. 267 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,159 She had, however, suffered a depressive episode 268 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,720 as a consequence of how she had been dealt with by the police. 269 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,239 Well, following the assault, NBV developed symptoms 270 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,399 of post-traumatic stress disorder, including nightmares, 271 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,799 intrusive imagery, flashbacks, 272 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,919 avoidance, anxiety and depression, 273 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,159 poor concentration and social withdrawal. 274 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,359 She still suffers from moderate to severe symptoms. 275 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,839 She can be tearful and experiences mood swings. 276 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,879 And she suffers from continuing sexual aversion 277 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,080 and a lack of sexual enjoyment. 278 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,719 Are you aware, Inspector Underwood, 279 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,279 of a guide which outlines the Met's standard operating procedures 280 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,800 for investigative techniques in rape and sexual assault cases? 281 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,319 I am aware of it, yes. 282 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,079 It lays out detailed steps and considerations to be followed, 283 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,319 from a starting point of treating the victim's account as truthful, 284 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:22,400 does it not? 285 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,720 I don't know. 286 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:27,959 Why not, may I ask? 287 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,079 I just can't recall it in any detail. 288 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,119 As a member of one of the Met's Sapphire teams, 289 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,359 which are specialist rape and sexual assault investigation units, 290 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,799 I find that quite an extraordinary thing for you to say. 291 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,839 Well, in my opinion, it's not something I consider practical 292 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,880 to apply to each and every case. 293 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:48,960 To this case? 294 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,919 I think these policies are fine in theory... 295 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,559 but they're not always applicable to day-to-day policing. 296 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,240 Then why have they been set out by the Met as their guidelines? 297 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,199 I think they have been created purely 298 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,640 to protect the police from legal challenges. 299 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,839 If a case is not classified as a serious sexual assault, 300 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,319 then details of the investigation are not entered 301 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,040 into the Criminal Intelligence Computer Database, are they? 302 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,719 No. Meaning no closing report would need to be done, would it? 303 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,759 No. Is that a good thing? 304 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,239 Honestly? 305 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,120 An opportunity to not have to do one would be taken gladly. 306 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,439 Was there a drive from your superiors at Borough Management 307 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,520 to disprove allegations of rape and sexual assault? 308 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,559 Yes. Why was that? 309 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,319 Because if an allegation can be legally disproved, 310 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,319 then it would improve detection rates. 311 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,679 So junior officers were effectively encouraged 312 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,239 not to pursue allegations of rape and sexual assault 313 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,279 and instead to focus on other crimes such as burglary, 314 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,600 which were easier to clear up. Is that right? 315 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Broadly speaking, yes. 316 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,439 Coming now, DC Coldham, specifically to the case NBV. 317 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,239 Even though her case bore all the hallmarks 318 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,079 of a drug-facilitated sexual assault, 319 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,359 she was not treated as such, was she? 320 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:16,159 Personally, I believed her account. 321 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,199 But I knew there was no prospect of the case being reopened 322 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,759 once the forensic and toxicology results had come back 323 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:22,959 as inconclusive. 324 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,599 Even though there were still many important leads 325 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,719 still to be followed up? 326 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Yes. So, under pressure from on high, 327 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,039 her case was not recorded as a serious sexual assault, 328 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,839 supervision from more senior officers did not occur, 329 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,119 and her case was not entered into the data bases? 330 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:40,199 No. 331 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,919 And the case was cleared up in three months. 332 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,279 No case closure report, 333 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,559 no detailed report entered into the system. 334 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,559 And the Borough's clear-up rate was thereby improved 335 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,400 since the case was not left as unsolved. 336 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,880 Like I say, that... that was the situation at the time. 337 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,119 Thanks. I can't believe you're still waiting on a judgment. 338 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:12,840 This one'll be born before we hear. 339 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,119 So, how's life, then? 340 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,079 I'll be honest, things are not great with Gav. 341 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,639 Hm? It's me. It's... 342 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,040 I push him away, I know I do. 343 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,479 I just find it so hard to really... 344 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,079 let go emotionally, you know. 345 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,359 He's always been pretty understanding, hasn't he? 346 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,440 Yeah, and he still is. 347 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,240 Sex is shit. 348 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,360 I hate being naked. 349 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 I actually hate opening my fucking legs, to be honest with you. 350 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,639 Must be like going to bed with a slab of marble. 351 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,319 At least he got you pregnant. 352 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,400 Yeah, I got a bit drunk that night, which helped. 353 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Let's just say it wasn't entirely planned. 354 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,879 ♪ Stand up for Jesus 355 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,919 ♪ The strife will not be long 356 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,319 ♪ This day, the noise of battle 357 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,559 ♪ The next, the victor's song 358 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,839 ♪ To Him who over-cometh 359 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,519 ♪ A crown of life shall be 360 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,479 ♪ He with the King of glory 361 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:34,199 ♪ Shall reign eternally. ♪ 362 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,000 Let us pray. 363 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:43,039 Lord, comfort and heal all those who suffer in body, mind or spirit. 364 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,279 Give them courage and hope in their troubles, 365 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,679 and bring them joy and salvation. 366 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,359 In your mercy... Lord, hear our prayer. 367 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:55,199 That those who face difficult times will find the strength to prevail. 368 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,319 In your mercy... 369 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,799 Lord, hear our prayer. Lord, hear our prayer. 370 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,159 For the grace this week, 371 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,279 to live by faith in every circumstance of life. 372 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,119 In your mercy... 373 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,600 Lord, hear our prayer. Lord, hear our prayer. 374 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,079 Hello? Hello, Sarah? 375 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,959 'Hi.' Hey. What's happening? 376 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,559 I just got off the phone to Harriet. 377 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,919 The judge said there was clear evidence 378 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,039 that I had suffered... significant harm 379 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,119 over a long period, and with you... 380 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,919 but for the failures of the police, you wouldn't have been raped at all. 381 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,240 GASPS 382 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,119 'We won.' No way. 383 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,240 We won! 384 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,920 They've awarded me 22 grand, and you 19. 385 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,639 Fuck! 386 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,599 'I'm, like, I'm...' 387 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,399 I can't... I'm... 388 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,119 Harriet said she's sure they'll appeal, but, erm... 389 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:54,760 we should enjoy today. 390 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,119 I'm glad you picked up. 391 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:03,159 So, tell me, did he ask the question? 392 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,279 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I said yeah! 393 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,239 Laila, I'm so happy for you. 394 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,559 Yeah, Mum and Dad are throwing us a party, it's... 395 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,279 Right, well, go and enjoy it, lovely. 396 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,159 'We'll go for a coffee soon.' Yeah. 397 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,999 Yeah, and I can meet your new baby. 'Yeah.' 398 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,799 All right, I'll... I'll see you soon, yeah? 399 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,040 'OK. See you soon.' 400 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,919 There you are. 401 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,359 You OK? 402 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,559 Yeah. 403 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,080 They're happy tears. THEY LAUGH 404 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,960 They're all waiting in the garden. 405 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,080 OK. 406 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,440 Just one sec. Mm-hm. 407 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,399 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 408 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Welcome, son. Thank you so much. 409 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,559 SALMA SPEAKS IN URDU Thank you. Thank you. 410 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,959 You! Oh! 411 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,679 Stop. I love you. 412 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,879 Love you too. 413 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,479 CHATTER DROWNED BY MUSIC 414 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,679 This is crazy! Gonna make me cry now. 415 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,999 Stop! You're so silly! 416 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,599 I'm so happy for you! 417 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,240 CHATTER DROWNED OUT BY MUSIC 418 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,799 I am Dr Craissati, 419 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,839 a consultant clinical and forensic psychologist, 420 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,520 and I'm here, Mr Radford, to review your progress. 421 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,640 OK. 422 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,920 Well, I told the other psychologist that I met recently that... 423 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040 ...the time had come for me to change my stance. 424 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,679 I've withdrawn my application 425 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,439 with the Criminal Cases Review Commission 426 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,679 to overturn my convictions, 427 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,560 and I've decided to accept full responsibility for all my offences. 428 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,280 Can I ask what has brought about this change of heart? 429 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,640 Him. 430 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,959 Up there. 431 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,080 The Lord Jesus Christ. He has shown me the way. 432 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,400 I felt so guilty, I didn't know who to speak to. 433 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,079 And then... then I found religion, 434 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,839 and I decided that, you know, if I'm gonna follow the Lord, 435 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,200 I've got to be honest and admit to what I've done. 436 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,520 Let's talk about what happened. 437 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,520 I always felt guilty about my offences. 438 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,359 Yeah, but to begin with, I maintained some hope 439 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,319 that my convictions would be overturned, 440 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,560 and I might be released. 441 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,639 But I can see now that this is unrealistic, and so... 442 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,039 I've decided to use this as a motivation for me 443 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,680 to take responsibility for what I've done. 444 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,040 To let these women know how sorry I am. 445 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,360 And to be honest, you know... 446 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,200 ...and talk about everything. 447 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,879 I hope that they will be OK 448 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,640 and get on with their lives, I really do. 449 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,560 I'm sorry, can I get a tissue? 450 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:04,440 Sorry. 451 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,919 Do you think you're ready to start 452 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,600 the Sexual Offenders Treatment Programme? 453 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,720 That's what He's telling me. 454 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,960 I'm sorry. 455 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,399 DOOR CLOSES Here they are. 456 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,039 As-salamu alaikum, beta. 457 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,000 Wa-alaikumu as-salam. 458 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:35,559 How are you both? 459 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,559 Not getting much sleep, but, yeah, we're good. 460 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,760 I'll go and make some tea. 461 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,880 BABY GURGLES Ssh, ssh. 462 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,640 House is looking smart. 463 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,680 Would you like to hold her? Oh, can I? 464 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,160 SALMA SPEAKS IN URDU 465 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,360 SPEAKS IN URDU 466 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,199 Shh, tch-tch-tch-tch. 467 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,760 She's so beautiful. 468 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,239 You know, I only ever wanted the best for you. 469 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,240 Hm? You know that? 470 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,800 Yeah. I know. 471 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,440 Arham is a good man. 472 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,800 Yeah. 473 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,960 He is. 474 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:56,000 You got knocked back, then, on your parole? 475 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,720 I've told them about finding God. 476 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,319 No, I've put my hands up to it all, 477 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,800 told 'em how remorseful I am. 478 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,559 That'll only get you so far, mate. 479 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,600 In my experience, you... you need to give them a reason. 480 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,599 What do you mean? 481 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,519 A reason why you started doing what you were doing in the first place. 482 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,039 If you can't do that, 483 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,640 they're never gonna believe that you know how to stop. 484 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,560 She was an old girlfriend, you know. I don't really wanna talk about her. 485 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,479 I mean, can I? 486 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,879 You know, talk about someone completely innocent? 487 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,279 Whoever this person is, 488 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,960 they can be anonymised in any reports. 489 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,680 Well, she left me. 490 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,599 When was this? 491 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,440 Well, it's about, er, summer time, 2005. 492 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,719 And I was really cut up about it. 493 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,800 You know, and then we were sort of on-off, and... 494 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,719 And then I remember, about a year later, 495 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,559 she phoned me and asked me to come pick her up 496 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,679 and take her back to mine, and I-I was excited about this. 497 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,319 But when I got to this bar, she was absolutely hammered. 498 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,960 Totally drunk. 499 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,639 All I could do was take her home to her mum's, 500 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,519 and I was on my own again. 501 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,400 Absolutely furious. 502 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,800 That night, I went looking for someone. 503 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,720 That would have been the first one. 504 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,599 That was around... 505 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,000 September-October, 2006. 506 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,959 And then it just grew from there. 507 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,239 The truth was, I only gave them half a tablet 508 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,200 because I didn't wanna do 'em too much harm. 509 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680 And then when they were out of it, I'd just... 510 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,240 ...touch their leg or look up their skirt as I sort of... 511 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,999 ...played with myself. 512 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,640 I only actually put my penis inside one of 'em. 513 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,440 That's all. For maybe... 514 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,959 ...four seconds. 515 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,999 I mean, I don't blame her, my ex, 516 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,680 you know, I-I take full responsibility for my actions. 517 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,960 But I can see now that that was the trigger. 518 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,720 Do you want cereal or toast? Er... 519 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,319 Toast, please. 520 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,679 There you go. You take that. 521 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,679 GIGGLES, CHILDREN CHATTER 522 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,120 PHONE BUZZES 523 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,080 Jack, can you take over a sec? 524 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,239 'It can't be true. It's the same as before.' 525 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,999 We just find out about it from the telly. 526 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,719 They all said, they were confident he wouldn't get out of prison. 527 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,359 It's bullshit! 528 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,999 It's just more fucking bullshit. 529 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,800 For God's sake, he's attacked over a hundred women. I... 530 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,279 How can anyone think it's safe to let him back out on the streets? 531 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,479 Because we are not allowed to know the reasoning, 532 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,999 the biggest problem we have 533 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,639 is trying to understand why they approved this. 534 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,479 Cos they live on Mars? 535 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,279 But why weren't we even consulted? 536 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,279 Because the system doesn't take into account 537 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,879 the views of the victim. 538 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,319 When these things are decided, 539 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,279 the criminal gets a place at the table, 540 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,319 the Parole Board, the Ministry of Justice do too, 541 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,679 but the views of the victim are not even considered. 542 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,199 So we just have to stand by and watch whilst they let him out? 543 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,239 Well, no, we have to bring pressure on David Gauke, 544 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,759 the Justice Secretary, 545 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,359 and get him to order a judicial review of the decision 546 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,519 on the grounds that it was legally irrational 547 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,959 to release Worboys. 548 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,719 And we have to move fast. 549 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,199 One thing we have been able to find out is that... 550 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,199 as late as 2015, he was denied transfer 551 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,559 from a high-security prison to a lower-security open prison 552 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,719 on the grounds that he posed an unacceptable risk. 553 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,479 Yet two years later, they're saying he's suitable for parole? 554 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440 That sounds pretty irrational to me. 555 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,920 The thought of him being released in just a few weeks is... 556 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,159 It-It's terrifying. 557 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,839 Listen to me. 558 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,959 We are going to fight to stop that from happening. 559 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,839 We are gonna scrap, and we are gonna fight. 560 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,200 I've gotta go. 561 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,799 Laila... No, it... They'll be wondering where I am. 562 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,720 I'll go after her, make sure she's all right. 563 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,760 But this is a fucking disgrace. 564 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,319 You know, I've heard there's a lot of people who are very unhappy 565 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,599 with today's decision. 566 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,639 Whispers that Labour and the Lib Dems might even call 567 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,479 for an inquiry. 568 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,799 Well, that will certainly shove it under David Gauke's hooter. 569 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,279 We need to keep it there. 570 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,759 We need to make a lot of noise, and quickly. 571 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,439 Well, I had a very interesting phone call 572 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,079 from Carrie Symonds this afternoon. 573 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,599 She gave evidence at the original trial? 574 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,159 Yes, I remember her. 575 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,200 Well, now she works for the Conservative Party press office. 576 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,999 And she phoned to say how angry she was and to... 577 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,679 offer her services. Oh, yeah? 578 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,360 Yeah, so I think she'd be very useful in lobbying David Gauke. 579 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,639 Worboys never once showed remorse. 580 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,679 He described his behaviour as banter, 581 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,439 and insisted that the women accusing him of rape, 582 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,759 who took to the stand in tears, shattered by the experience, 583 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,079 had in fact wanted to have sex with him. 584 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,439 The decision to free him was made a few months ago 585 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,719 by a Parole Board panel. 586 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:24,199 'We don't know who made up this panel, 587 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,439 'and we don't know how and why they came to this decision.' 588 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,119 PHONES RING 589 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,679 Hi, David! Er, just two minutes once you're done. Please. 590 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,919 I'll catch you up. Right. 591 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,319 I just wondered if you might want 592 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,199 to read this op-ed piece that I've written. 593 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,959 What's it about? The Worboys Parole Board decision. 594 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,999 You know that decision was based on the reports 595 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,599 from several psychologists? 596 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,600 I think he's pulled the wool over their eyes. 597 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,479 You might not know this, but as a young woman, 598 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,119 I was drugged by him in the back of his taxi. 599 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,999 And I just thought, full disclosure, 600 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,079 as Justice Secretary, you should know what I've said here. 601 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,240 OK, I'll have a read. Thank you. 602 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,760 EXHALES SHAKILY 603 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,400 Moving down to Belmarsh, then, John? 604 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759 Not long to go now, is it? 605 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,840 And from there... 606 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,720 ...by the grace of God... 607 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,039 ...I'll be released. 608 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,480 A free man. 609 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,519 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 610 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,999 Speech, Carrie! 611 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,799 I would just like to say that I was just as surprised 612 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,199 as you all probably were when I was asked to take this job on, 613 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,959 but I was pleasantly surprised. 614 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,079 I promise to give it my all. Thank you. 615 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,360 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 616 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,680 Congratulations. Youngest-ever Head of Comms. 617 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,720 You've done so well. Thank you. 618 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,999 I do have just a... a small fly I must put in the ointment, though. 619 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,879 David Gauke told me that the MoJ will not be pursuing 620 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,159 a judicial review 621 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,639 of that Parole Board decision on John Worboys. What?! 622 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,279 Why not? He said something about "legal advice". 623 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,680 But then he's gonna get out! Fuck! Shit! Carrie. 624 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,079 I'm telling you this as a friend, OK? 625 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,959 But people have been saying you've been a bit distracted lately. 626 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,359 Well, then, they can mind their own business. Come on. 627 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,559 I'm just saying, 628 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,839 don't let this stuff get in the way of what's really important, OK? 629 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,720 And why you're actually here. 630 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,880 Your career is taking off, Carrie. 631 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,600 Don't blow it now. 632 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,959 I really thought David fucking Gauke would get behind us. 633 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,439 This is so disappointing. 634 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,719 My guess is he's looked at all of this, and he's thinking 635 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,399 his department doesn't come out of it smelling of roses. 636 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,479 So, what can we do now? 637 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,919 We can push for a review of the decision 638 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,559 on behalf of Sarah and Laila. 639 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,759 Can we do that? 640 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,359 I'm not sure private individuals will have the legal standing, 641 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,239 but we can certainly give it a try. 642 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,799 Money is going to be a problem, though. 643 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,879 The rules have changed since the human rights case. 644 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,879 It's now no longer possible to take out insurance against losing. 645 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,719 Meaning that Sarah and Laila would be personally responsible 646 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,799 for the Parole Board's legal costs if we lost? 647 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,679 Precisely. We need to raise money fast. 648 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640 But by going against the government, you could be risking your career. 649 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,599 I'm on it! 650 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,159 Yes, it is a letter that I've been asking London MPs to sign, 651 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,519 a lot of them already have, 652 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,319 protesting against the Parole Board's decision. 653 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,879 The women he attacked are fighting to have his parole overturned, 654 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,239 and maybe this is something 655 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,319 that your paper could take a more detailed look at. 656 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,399 And, hey, if you do decide to print, 657 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,879 don't forget to include the details of the CrowdJustice link 658 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,159 at the bottom of your story. 659 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,759 'OK, well, I'll talk to my editor, and we'll keep in touch. All right?' 660 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,279 We're still being contacted by women 661 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,239 who say that they are victims of Worboys. 662 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,959 In the last few days, I spoke to a woman in Bournemouth, 663 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,559 who's convinced that eventually more victims will come forward 664 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,599 from that area because he also drove his cab down there. 665 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,719 How about the appeal for donations to help with the legal support? 666 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,479 Well, we've been completely overwhelmed by the level of support 667 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,959 that we've received since opening our CrowdJustice page. 668 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,519 The donations have been pouring in, 669 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,320 for which we are incredibly grateful. 670 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,519 Rehabilitated? 671 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,759 He denied everything until nine months before 672 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,439 the first time he could apply for parole. 673 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,039 Hm, and then he found God. 674 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,559 Right. Conveniently. 675 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,760 Just in time for parole, he saw the light. 676 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,279 Only gave half a Temazepam. 677 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,719 Says he only raped one woman! 678 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,879 Penis inside vagina for four seconds! 679 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,839 Wait a minute. Yes, here. 680 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,079 Says, "He only started offending in 2006 681 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,480 "after the break-up with his girlfriend." 682 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,800 Yes I've just seen that. Oh, thank you, Lord. 683 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,400 Come on, you two. Mummy's running late. 684 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,119 I want you to be really good for Connor, OK? 685 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,999 Right, ring the bell. Wait there. OK. 686 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,759 INTERCOM CHIMES 687 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,239 OK. 688 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,760 Oh, there he is. It's exciting. 689 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,999 Right, be good. All right, guys. 690 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,280 Go on, run up, there's cakes up there. Bye! 691 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,759 Thanks so much for doing this. It's all right. 692 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,879 I knew it would happen on half-term. Jack's with his mates, so... 693 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,799 It's, not a problem. You know I'm happy to help. 694 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,799 How's things at home? Erm... not great. 695 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,919 Er, Gav's actually moved out now, so... 696 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,760 OK. I'm sorry to hear. 697 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,159 Anyway, I'd better get going, otherwise I'll be late, 698 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,559 but thanks again. OK. 699 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,719 I'll see you later. 700 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,080 PHONE RINGS All right, good luck! 701 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,599 'Hi.' Hi. I'm running late. 702 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,080 Are you nearly there yet? 703 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,960 I'm sorry, I... I didn't get on the train. 704 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,799 I'm not coming down. I just... 705 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,560 'I suddenly thought... the idea of seeing him again... 706 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,799 'I just can't do it.' Yeah. 707 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,999 'I don't know how you can face going back to that horrible time, Sarah.' 708 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,839 Because I wanna have my moment in court with him today. 709 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,799 'Sorry. I know I'm letting you down.' 710 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,199 No, you're not. 711 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,519 'Listen, if that's what you wanna do, 712 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,999 'what you need to do, fuck it. 713 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,839 'Fuck them. Whatever works.' 714 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,239 I am sorry. Stop apologising, OK? 715 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,439 'Listen, I'm gonna have to go, otherwise I'll be late. 716 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,199 But, erm, I'll let you know how it goes, OK? 717 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,800 'OK. Thank you.' OK. Bye. Bye-bye. 718 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,280 Shit. 719 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,720 Erm, Royal Courts of Justice, please. 720 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,280 SHE SIGHS 721 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,280 Thank you. 722 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,159 My Lords, this is a unique case, 723 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,399 in which someone who has been granted his freedom 724 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,159 has then had it taken away from him. 725 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,679 If ever there was a case for the use of the judicial review jurisdiction 726 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,559 to be exercised with the greatest care 727 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,519 and anxious scrutiny... 728 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,400 this is that case. 729 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,639 We see that Mr Worboys has been seriously minimising the nature 730 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,559 and extent of his offending 731 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,759 and has been dishonestly manufacturing his explanation. 732 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,959 Furthermore, we say the Board has failed 733 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,119 to take into account critical evidence, 734 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,319 evidence which it was not in its discretion to ignore. 735 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,359 Evidence which, if it was going to reach a lawful decision, 736 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,320 it HAD to take into account. 737 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,559 In the notes of the sessions, attended with the psychologists, 738 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,879 Mr Worboys admits responsibility 739 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,080 only for those offences for which he was convicted. 740 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,079 A total of 19 offences 741 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,799 carefully selected by the Crown Prosecution Service, 742 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,759 as you can see from their statement, 743 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,280 so as to not overload the indictment. 744 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,199 These offences were against a total of 12 women, 745 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,919 and Worboys says 746 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:34,679 his offending began in September-October 2006. 747 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,199 But let's look, then, at what evidence is out there, 748 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,879 because that evidence paints a very, very different picture 749 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,399 to the one presented by Mr Worboys to the Parole Board. 750 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,159 The police's conclusion, having investigated all of the offences 751 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,119 that resulted in the charges brought against Mr Worboys, 752 00:43:54,120 --> 00:44:01,080 is that he committed offences against a total of 105 women. 753 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,799 We submit this is very powerful evidence 754 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,559 that Mr Worboys' offending was more extensive 755 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,439 than anything he has admitted. 756 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,279 And, crucially, 757 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,639 we can see from the evidence given to the police by the witness DSD, 758 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,599 we can see that his offending went back to, 759 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,799 at the very least... 760 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,040 May 2003. 761 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,319 That is more than three years before the date 762 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,519 he says is when he began offending, 763 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,559 which blows out of the water the Parole Board's assessment 764 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,599 that he has taken full responsibility 765 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,919 for his offences, 766 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,640 or that he has been open and honest in his account. 767 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,480 LAUGHTER 768 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,520 Happy birthday! 769 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,159 CHILD SHRIEKS 770 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,760 Mama! 771 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,000 THEY GROWL 772 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,599 Look at that! 773 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,160 LAUGHTER 774 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,880 You OK? 775 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,200 There's something I've gotta tell you. 776 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,200 INAUDIBLE 777 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,880 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com